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Australia planea deshacerse de sus helicopteros de combate Tiger.

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Australia planea deshacerse de sus helicopteros de combate Tiger.

Mensaje por Major_Tom el 25/3/2016, 8:17 pm

Costaron una fortuna y solo se convitieron en una fuente inagotable de problemas, a tal grado de que nunca pudieron ser declarados disponibles para combate. nonono

Para aquellos admiradores del equipo de guerra francés, no todo es como lo pintan.

http://warisboring.com/articles/australia-to-ditch-its-tiger-gunships-which-have-never-seen-combat/
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Unhappy Australia Joins Study of Tiger Attack Helicopter Upgrade
by Peter Ricketts and Chris Pocock
- September 10, 2015, 1:03 PM
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Australia has joined a European team looking at a possible upgrade for the Tiger attack and reconnaissance helicopter. (Photo: Australian Defence)

Australia has joined France, Germany and Spain in planning a mid-life upgrade (MLU) for the Tiger ARH (attack and reconnaissance helicopter) made by Airbus Helicopters. The MLU could save the Tiger helicopter in Australia, where the defense department has not been happy with its serviceability and support.

It has said that the army’s 22 Tigers could be replaced if their performance does not meet requirements by the time of its Combat Assurance Program in 2019. The MLU is planned to be available from that year, with the modified helicopters designated the Tiger Mk3.

Europe’s Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (French acronym OCCAR) signed a contract with Airbus Helicopters on behalf of France, Germany and Spain for an architecture study to define the Tiger Mk3, including its future configurations. The Australian Department of Defence is also a party to the deal. Airbus Helicopters will examine and select promising new features and improvements to the Tiger’s maintainability, survivability or operability, with a major focus on the helicopter’s life cycle cost. The MLU will benefit both from the lessons learned in several operational theaters and from the latest technologies. Tiger operators will be able to select from a menu of equipment, functions and performance for the future development of the helicopter.

Australia’s annual defense report showed that its Tigers had flown 3,000 hours in the 12-month period, well under the 6,000 hours sought. The Army further said the helicopter’s twin Turbomeca MTR 390s have the highest operating cost of any helicopter engine in its inventory. The service has two squadrons based at Darwin in the far north of Australia. It is concerned about the time it takes for components sent to Europe to be returned, as well as with many unreliabilities. A cabin filling with smoke has caused several forced landings. The first Tiger was delivered in 2004 and the last in 2011 but the type has still not achieved full operational capability. This has now been delayed again, from this year to next.

Australia has been heavily involved in the Iraq and Afghanistan military campaigns. But unlike France, Germany and Spain, it has not exposed its Tigers in a combat zone. The service selected the Tiger over the Boeing AH-64 Apache with a plan to carry out an extensive local assembly at a plant to be built at Brisbane Airport.

In recent statements, Airbus Helicopters has insisted that the Tiger “is easy to maintain, does not require heavy infrastructure and has a good level of availability.” The company told AIN that the Mk3 upgrade study for OCCAR would consider “an increased commonality across Tiger variants, including Austrlia, since it brings benefits of investment, optimization and logistic

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-09-10/unhappy-australia-joins-study-tiger-attack-helicopter-upgrade
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Australia Is Giving Up on Its Tiger Gunships, Which Have Never Seen Combat
This helicopter has problems
Australia Is Giving Up on Its Tiger Gunships, Which Have Never Seen Combat

Australia February 28, 2016 Robert Beckhusen 49
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Australia bought its Tiger ARH attack helicopters only eight years ago, and now it wants to scrap all 22 of them. Even more embarrassing, the Tiger has still not yet achieved “final operational capability” — meaning the helicopter never fully became ready for combat.

The decision to ditch the Tiger — to occur in the 2020s — landed with a thud with the release of Australia’s 2016 defense white paper, which laid out the country’s military strategy over the coming decades. The plan includes U.S. $21.5 billion in new spending, which would pay for new submarines, frigates, patrol vessels, aircraft and drones among many other big-ticket items.

But not the Tiger.

In 2004, Australia received its first Tiger, a nimble gunship produced by Eurocopter — now part of Airbus — to serve in light-attack and reconnaissance roles. The Tiger is roughly equivalent to the U.S.-made AH-64 Apache except lighter and with longer range. It can fire Hellfire missiles, 70-millimeter Hydra rockets and 30-millimeter cannon shells. On-board Stinger missiles serve as the anti-air weapon.

The Tiger “was modeled very much along the Apache model, but using later airframe technology, and with different role optimizations,” analyst Carlo Kopp of the Air Power Australia think tank wrote in 2009.
Australian_Army_(A38-017)_Eurocopter_Tiger_ARH_display_at_the_2015_Australian_International_AirshowAbove — an Australian Tiger ARH in February 2015. Bidgee/Wikimedia photo. At top — an Australian Tiger during Exercise Talisman Sabre 2011. U.S. Air Force photo

Yet Australia’s Tiger has never seen combat, despite $2 billion in costs to buy them and Canberra’s troops fighting heavily in Afghanistan for more than a decade. (Today, Australia has 400 troops there in an advisory role.) Keeping the Tiger at home was also an awkward decision, as German, French and Spanish Tiger variants deployed to Afghanistan at different times.

Not that Australia had much of a choice. There were delays with the helicopter’s software. Parts must be shipped to Europe for repair, a time-consuming and expensive process. Worst of all, the air conditioning units and power capacitors broke down and filled cockpits with toxic, black smoke.

During one incident, “the window was jammed shut after not being checked during pre-flight inspections so the crew was forced to take the risky step of blowing the canopy off to ventilate the cockpit,” the Australian reported in 2012.

Trust in the aircraft deteriorated so much, that pilots effectively mutinied in 2012 by refusing to fly. “Usually you have to fight to stop military pilots from flying,” a defense source told the newspaper.

Canberra wants to replace the Tiger with a lighter helicopter for commandos that can fit inside a C-17 transport plane — along the lines of the American MH-6 Little Bird. Plus more CH-47 Chinook transport birds for heavier lifting.

It makes sense. Delays and mechanical miseries aside, the deeper problem is that the Tiger was never really a good fit for Australia in the 21st century. The gunship was originally designed in the 1980s for a European battlefield — hence the similarities to the Apache, the multi-role abilities and the anti-tank weapons. Canberra would now rather prepare for more unconventional wars and to counter Chinese sea power.

Perhaps most importantly of all, Canberra wants to grow its military spending without blowing its budget. In a 2015 interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, defense analyst Andrew Davies noted the Tiger came about as a way to reduce the number of helicopters in service, and thus save money.

“And in fact, nothing of the sort has happened,” Davies said. “We’ve spent billions of dollars, lost many years of capability because the helicopters weren’t as mature as we thought.”

http://warisboring.com/articles/australia-to-ditch-its-tiger-gunships-which-have-never-seen-combat/
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Mensaje por T-6 texan el 25/3/2016, 10:18 pm

Major_Tom escribió:Costaron una fortuna y solo se convitieron en una fuente inagotable de problemas, a tal grado de que nunca pudieron ser declarados disponibles para combate. nonono

Para aquellos admiradores del equipo de guerra francés, no todo es como lo pintan.

http://warisboring.com/articles/australia-to-ditch-its-tiger-gunships-which-have-never-seen-combat/
En ese caso por que Alemania, España y Francia no tienen este tipo de problemas??? Es mas incluso se han comprado mas y de la versión mas moderna para el Ejercito de Tierra Español.
Creo que no hay que generalizar.
Saludos.
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Mensaje por sasori el 25/3/2016, 10:33 pm

Si Los van a dar de baja podria ser una opurtunidad para paises que quieren comprar este tipo de helicoptero a un precio reducido una possible opurtunidad para paises como las Filipinas o Mexico.
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Mensaje por Major_Tom el 26/3/2016, 7:32 pm

Textualmente dice que ellos planean, scrap , o sea hacerlos chatarra. Yo creo si a ellos les han dado problemas, y en general es un helicóptero que demanda cuidados y mantenimiento muy especializados, los problemas que ellos han tenido, aquí los tendríamos multiplicados.
El tigre tiene una reputación de aparato hasta cierto punto delicado. Yo creo que si la FAM algún día se decidiera por un verdadero helicóptero de combate, hay opciones más caras o más baratas que han demostrado su fiabilidad en el campo de batalla, desde hace más de 20 años. El súper cobra, el Apache, el mangusta, el mi 35, mi 28. Cualquier de estos tiene la ventaja de ser un aparato más que probado en combate, y confiable.
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Mensaje por T-6 texan el 27/3/2016, 12:10 am

El Tigre desde hace tiempo que ha sido probado en combate y ha demostrado resultados muy buenos para estar a la altura del Apache, Cobra y demas Helos de combate.
Saludos.
PD. Recordemos que el Tigre tiene alrededor de 15 años y menos de 6 que ha sido puesto en servicio por lo que es un helo relativamente nuevo, todos los helos de combate tuvieron malos dias como los que esta teniendo el Tigre en Australia.
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T-6 texan escribió:
Major_Tom escribió:Costaron una fortuna y solo se convitieron en una fuente inagotable de problemas, a tal grado de que nunca pudieron ser declarados disponibles para combate. nonono

Para aquellos admiradores del equipo de guerra francés, no todo es como lo pintan.

http://warisboring.com/articles/australia-to-ditch-its-tiger-gunships-which-have-never-seen-combat/
En ese caso por que Alemania, España y Francia no tienen este tipo de problemas??? Es mas incluso se han comprado mas y de la versión mas moderna para el Ejercito de Tierra Español.
Creo que no hay que generalizar.
Saludos.

Mas me parece ya que es una barrera mental...
De ningún modo creo que el equipo sea tan malo. Unidades de aire acondicionado fallando??? Pues obvio, no es nada comparable Europa con Australia, igual los capacitores fallando, tienen que tropicalizarse los equipos, no se que tanto fallen con otros usuarios en las proximidades de Oceanía...

Cuando se trata de decir que algo es malo es como el dicho de la partera...

Cuando la partera es mala, siempre le echa la culpa al culo...

Veremos que ocurre con el MLU...


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