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Aunque mucha informacion circula en diferentes paginas de internet, la principal
informacion tecnologica (desarrollada por tecnologia propia) asi como sus diseños,
adecuaciones, softwares de sigilo y aislamiento del ruido, velocidades elevadas
al promedio y prologandas estadias submarinas con propulsores diesel, les han
concedido el interes de 3 paises fabricantes(Alemania, Francia y Suecia)
y otros adquirentes(India y Australia), de realizar convenios y co-construcciones
conjuntas para aprender y desarrollar diseños propios japoneses, y les han
prolongado la agonia de tener acceso a dichos derechos.
La realidad de entrenamientos avanzados con los E.U. ha sido muy enriquecedora
para ambos lados, dejando con una gran interrogante para las flotas vecinas
(Chinas, Rusas y Pakistanies) en virtud de su maniobrabilidad excelente y sus
adelantos aun en proceso de instalacion en los mismos ademas de los que
ya estan operando.
Aun falta por desplegar algunos prototipos de Harpoons mejorados, asi como
sus Torpedos tipo 89 actualmente funcionando, que ya estan superados en
prestaciones con los que estan en proceso de produccion.
Desearia poder publicar otras bondades, que por razones de confidencialida,
no se autoriza a divulgacion hasta que ellos mismos los presenten a los medios.



SORYU CLASS JAPANESE SUBMARINE (DIESEL POWER ATTACK SUBMARINE)



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SPECIFICATIONS:

Dimensions and displacement
Length 84 m
Beam 9.1 m
Draught 8.5 m
Surfaced displacement 2 900 tons
Submerged displacement 4 200 tons

Propulsion and speed

Surfaced speed 13 knots
Submerged speed 20 knots
Diesel engines 1 x 3 900 / 8 000 hp
Electric motors ?
Armament
Missiles UGM-84 Sub-Harpoon launched form torpedo tubes
Torpedoes 6 x 533-mm torpedo tubes for Type 89 torpedoes and missiles

The Soryu class boats are significantly larger than OyashiosClass. Furthermore these submarines have a larger displacement than any previous Japanese submarines. Submarines have hydrodynamic design and are fitted with anechoic coating. Interior also has sound isolation of loud components.

Theses vessels are powered by a Swedish Stirling air-independent propulsion system. The Soryu is significantly larger than Oyashio class boats, in order to incorporate this propulsion system. This system is license-produced by Kawasaki Heavy Industries. It allows to stay submerged for longer periods of time without surfacing to charge the batteries. Submerged endurance is increased from days to weeks.

It also enhanced vessel's stealth and operational capabilities.


Weapon systems

The Soryu Class is fitted with six HU-606 533mm torpedo tubes for Type 89 torpedoes and UGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The Harpoon has a range of over 124km and speed of 864km/h.
Type 89 is a wire-guided torpedo with active and passive homing modes. It has a maximum speed of 130km/h and can engage targets within the range of 50km. The torpedo can carry a warhead of 267kg.

Sensors / radars

The submarine is equipped with a ZPS-6F navigation or surface search radar. The sonar suite integrates four low frequency flank arrays, a bow-array and a towed array sonar.



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DEPTH SPECS:

Diving depth (operational) ~ 250 m
Diving depth (maximum) ~ 500 m

http://www.military-today.com/navy/soryu_class.htm


The oficial depth of this sub, is publicized as 500 meters, notwithstanding that the technical
Information as to what depth to fire a torpedo, reported as 900 meters of depth. This info is ritually classificated and not necessarily confirmed to the public.

ACTUAL NAMES OF SUBS LAUNCHED AND COMMISSIONED

SS-501 Sōryū (そうりゅう?) / Blue Dragon
SS-502 Unryū (うんりゅう?) / Cloud Dragon
SS-503 Hakuryū (はくりゅう?) / White Dragon
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Japan won’t share secret submarine technology with anyone
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Secrecy ... The Japanese are refusing to share vital information about the Soryu Class submarine with Australia. Picture: Supplied. Source: Supplied
JAPAN has been accused of refusing to share vital performance details about its top-secret Soryu Class submarines with Australian officials.
Australia has asked Japanese officials to provide critical information about stealth, power and combat system integration issues for the 4200-tonne boat considered front runner in the race to be the Navy’s future submarine, but Japan has so far declined to provide access to the information.

Despite Australia asking Japan to provide vital data about the stealth, power and combat system integration issues of the Soryu Class submarines — which are set to replace the ageing Collins Class submarines (above) — Japan has kept silent.


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News Corporation also understands that the government’s 2015 Defence White Paper — due out by June — explores cutting the number of submarines from 12 to eight, with an option for two more and a budget well below $20 billion.

The 2009 White Paper included a requirement for 12 boats, but defence sources have argued strongly that the Royal Australian Navy could not crew that number of submarines.
The first one or two boats will be built overseas by the successful bidder with the rest to be assembled at ASC in Adelaide — which will likely be split and absorbed by the successful bidder — under a rolling schedule.

Japan has promised that the first two boats could be delivered within three years.
Mr Abbott threw open the doors for a competition on the weekend when he said Australian firms could bid.
Yesterday he ruled out any secret deal with Japan to buy its boats.
He said Australia wanted the best possible submarines at the best possible price to replace the ageing Collins Class fleet.



“There are no secret deals,” Mr Abbott said.
A spokesman for Defence Minister Kevin Andrews said the decision on a design partner and construction of the submarines will be based on a competitive evaluation process that takes fully into account capability requirements, cost, schedule, technical risk and value for money considerations.
“Any Australian company that can credibly meet these criteria will be considered on merit, as will potential international partners,” the spokesman said.
He did not address a specific question about issues with the Japanese negotiations.
The most likely solution appears to be a competitive evaluation process between Japan, Germany, France and Sweden.
Two options would be selected to fight it out in a competitive tender for the nation’s biggest ever defence project.
The most crucial element of its military “crown jewels” that Japan is unwilling to share with anyone is how the Soryu boats can cruise submerged at 20 knots with virtually no noise signature.
Stealth is a submarine’s greatest weapon and the Soryu is thought to be the most stealthy diesel powered submarine ever built.



The second area of concern is the boat’s propulsion system and exactly how it can provide an operating life of almost double that of the Collins Class boats.
“Without that information we cannot go with the Japanese option,” a defence source told News Corp.
The third area of concern is the integration of a US combat system and weapons into the Japanese hull.
The final hurdle is the perceived lack of security at the ASC shipyard in Adelaide and Australia in general.
“The Japanese are far better at security than we are,” a senior source said.
It is understood that Japanese officials pointed to an Australian TV documentary on the Collins boats that clearly revealed the subs’ noise signature.
German ministers and senior corporate executives are in Canberra this week pushing hard for German firm ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) and its (yet to be built) type 216 boat.
It is understood that navy officers have been told not to engage at all with the German delegation.
South Australian officials have pushed hard for Australian involvement in both the build and through-life support phase which will account for about 60 per cent of the project’s total outlays.
South Australian Defence Industries Minister Martin Hamilton-Smith welcomed the move to
a competitive process.

http://www.news.com.au/national/japan-wont-share-secret-submarine-technology-with-anyone/story-fncynjr2-1227213745750

Algunos proyectos en desarrollo del cual anexo uno, sirve como preambulo a lo que
se esta gestando sin detener su evolucion y sin compartir todo lo necesario.
(algunos ya han sido probados y no seran compartidos con nadie).


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Como en los centros comerciales y utilizando la diversidad de diseños por los Indios,
como antesala para indigenizar sus propios modelos, se ha visto muy recurrente la
visita reciproca de Japon e India, para crecer juntos en proyectos conjuntos de tecnologia
japonesa en suelo Hindu.
Ahora viene la parte medular de definir los tiempos y formas de poner a la disposicion
de la Armada India el diseño de Submarino Clase Soryu el cual lo han mantenido con
censura profesional y diseños no compartidos aun.





India Considering Adding Japanese Soryu-Class Submarines to its Fleet

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MOSCOW, January 30 (Sputnik), Ekaterina Blinova — New Delhi is considering a project to build six Japanese Soryu-class diesel-electric submarines in an Indian shipyard, according to Indian media resources.
"In keeping with their expanding strategic partnership, the Modi government has asked the Shinzo Abe administration whether it would be interested in the over Rs 50,000 crore [$8.1 billion] project to build six stealth submarines in India," the Times of India reported.

It should be noted that in 2007, India had launched Project 75I, which was aimed at replacing its aging fleet with new foreign vessels. After repeated delays, the plan eventually obtained its second wind under the new Prime Minister, Narendra Modi. It is expected, that the six diesel-electric submarines will be built in India, in compliance with the popular "Make in India" initiative.

The Modi Cabinet, which plans to put the project out to tender, has reportedly forwarded a proposal to Japan to "consider the possibility" of building its Soryu-class submarines in India on condition that Japan "will form a joint venture with an Indian shipyard," the Diplomat points out.


The National Interest emphasizes that Tokyo is "especially keen on breaking into the global submarine market." The American media outlet stresses that Soryu-class submarines made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation have a number of competitive advantages, citing Robert Farley, the TNI's (Transnational Institute) contributor:
"At 4,200 tons submerged, the Soryu-class is considerably larger than either the [German] Type 214, [French] Scorpene, or improved [Russian] Kilo, and can carry a much heavier weapons load.


This size also makes them quieter and longer-ranged than the other boats on the market. At current price expectations of around $500 million, the Soryus are not wildly more expensive than the other boats."

The National Interest also notes that Australia and Japan have recently been discussing a program aimed at the sale and purchase of 12 diesel-electric Soryu-class vessels.

The Times of India underscores that the United States "has been pushing for greater defense cooperation among India, Japan and Australia" in order to counterbalance China's growing military power in the Asia-Pacific region and especially the South China Sea, which has long been the subject of fierce territorial disputes between Beijing and its neighbors. Experts stress that the United States is interested in preventing close cooperation between Eurasia's BRICS members, particularly China and India, that could diminish the influence of the West in the region.



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La productividad de los Nipones para alcanzar la meta de sus 22 submarinos, sigue adelante,
el cual no lo estan limitando a su propia flota, sno que ahora que se ha liberado
la opcion de exportar equipo militar, se esta contemplando razurar algunos equipos de
tecnologia avanzada, y proveer unidades modernas con ciertos adelantos acotados.
Veremos que se concluye con el proyecto de Australia e India.




Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force Commissioned its 6th Soryu-class SSK SS-506 Kokuryu

The 6th Soryu-class SSK, SS-506 Kokuryu, (meaning Black Dragon) of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force.


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March 13, 2015 aseanmildef.com

TOKYO, -- The 6th Soryu-class SSK, SS-506 Kokuryu, (meaning Black Dragon) was commissioned into service with Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) at the Kawasaki Heavy Industries shipyard in Kobe on March 9th.

The Soryu Class diesel-electric submarines are being built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation for the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF). Ten Soryu Class submarines are planned for the JMSDF. The class is an improved version of the Oyashio Class submarine.

According to Forecast International, the U.S. Navy Surface Ship Torpedo Defense (SSTD) program is developing and fielding six prototype Torpedo Warning System/Countermeasure Anti-Torpedo (TWS/CAT) Engineering Design Model (EDM) systems on CVN ships.

The keel for the first submarine in the class, Soryu (SS-501), was laid down in March 2005. It was launched in December 2007 and commissioned in March 2009. Unryu (SS-502) was laid down in March 2006, launched in October 2008 and commissioned in March 2010. Hakuryu (SS-503) was laid down in February 2007 and launched in October 2009 for commissioning in March 2011. The fourth and fifth submarines under construction are scheduled to be commissioned in 2012 and 2013 respectively.

SS-506 Kokuryu was laid down 21 January 2013, launched 31 October 2013 and commissioned 9 March 2015.


http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/tag/japan/



Con la proteccion de la fuente, el ministro de Defensa de Filipinas, Voltaire Gazmin
se acerco el pasado Marzo del presente año, para evaluar la posibilidad de
adquirir 2 Submarinos clase Soryu para la Armada Filipina, considerando que tienen
acuerdos bilaterales, y que constituye una fortaleza para sus fuerzas armadas,
en estos tiempos en que los Chinos se han propuesto instalarse en las islas
que corresponden a la Zona economica exclusiva de las Filipinas.




Japan's Two Soryu Class Submarine for the Philippines Now Considered
Source: http://www.manilalivewire.com/…/japans-two-soryu-class-sub…/
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Japan’s Two Soryu Class Submarine For The Philippines Now Considered
Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin confirmed that a defense wishlist is already in the hands of Japanese defense officials. The list consists military equipment
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Desde el 2011 los Filipinos iniciaron las platicas para considerar adquirir submarinos
para su Flota, la cual pusieron con fecha limite, operarlos para el 2020.
En el mes pasado, se tuvo la visita del Srio. de Defensa al japon para validar
la posibilidad de adquirir el diseño Clase Soryu para su pais.
El Japon considera "interesante" la propuesta de sus vecinos del Sur, sin publicar
el contenido final de dicha reunion.



Philippine Navy bent on buying submarine

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Posted at 05/12/2011 3:48 PM
MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine Navy is planning to purchase its first ever submarine.

In a phone patch, Navy Philippine Fleet spokesman Lt. Rommel Rodriguez told reporters that experts are now meeting with international counterparts to assess the plan’s feasibility.

He said the Navy may acquire the submarine not later than 2020, depending on the political and administrative atmosphere.

"Right now, there are studies that are being undertaken. There are researches right now that involves submarine," Rodriguez said. He noted the study, conducted by the fleet’s office of plans and programs under Lt. Cmdr. Merlito Martinez, is upon orders from Rear Admiral Jose Luis Alano.

Rodriguez, however, noted that purchasing one would require billions of dollars.

"But since the Navy is geared towards Vision 2020, he wants to come up with a team, there is already a team that is conducting this studies and this studies will determine what capabilities do we need, where can we get this vessel or this submarine, what are the alternatives we have to be able to fund it, or how long will it take," he added.

He said the Navy needs to patrol the country’s territorial waters undetected, thus the need for a submarine.

"The amount may seem impossible for now but definitely we are taking a step forward because the President is (bent on) improving our naval capability. That is why, we are undertaking this study…We are taking a step forward, we are taking a step further," he said.

"It will be better (if we have a submarine) in patrolling our seas because when you have a submarine, it is physically invisible…We will be able to track those violating our maritime laws without them noticing us," said Rodriguez.

The assessment will first be presented to Navy officials before being submitted to the Armed Forces of the Philippine General Headquarters and the Department of National Defense.

Meanwhile, Philippine ambassador to the US Jose Cuisia Jr. is due to receive tomorrow a Hamilton class ship that the country had purchased from the US Coast Guard. The military spent P1.2 billion for it.

Rodriguez said a team from the Navy is now in California to undergo training to operate the ship. They will set sail in July and will probably arrive in August.

The ship may be deployed to Palawan, which should be patrolled because of oil interest in the area.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/12/11/philippine-navy-bent-buying-submarine


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Dentro de los proyectos que sus submarinos de ataque de la
naval submarina, recibiran otros adelantos en su armamento
y municion para objetivos de alto calado, los cuales estan en desarrollo,
con la vision de cubrir el daño obligado de naves de superficie y
con alto avance de tecnologia.


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Japón bota el moderno submarino Sekiryu.



Un moderno submarino destinado a la Fuerza Naval del Japón, ha sido botado en los astilleros de Kawasaki Heavy Industries de Kobe, según indica un comunicado difundido la compañía. El submarino, con un desplazamiento de 2.950 toneladas, ha sido bautizado con el nombre de Sekiryu, como el dragón sagrado que cuida los confines del sur. Pasará a formar parte de la Fuerza Naval en marzo de 2017, sin embargo, todavía no ha sido definida su base.

Según destaca el servicio de prensa de Kawasaki Heavy Industries, se trata del octavo submarino nipón de la clase Soryu. El submarino Sekiryu tiene una eslora de 84 metros y 9,1 de manga, está equipado con dos motores diésel eléctricos Kawasaki 12 V 25/25 SB y cuatro motores Stearling. Es capaz de desarrollar velocidades de hasta 20 nudos y dispone de una instalación torpedera. (Jesús.R.G.)

Fuente: http://mundo.sputniknews.com/

http://poderiomilitar-jesus.blogspot.com.es/2015/11/japon-bota-el-moderno-submarino-sekiryu.html
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 Dentro de los proyectos que sus submarinos de ataque de la
naval submarina, recibiran otros adelantos en su armamento
y municion para objetivos de alto calado, los cuales estan en desarrollo,
con la vision de cubrir el daño obligado de naves de superficie y
con alto avance de tecnologia.


TORPEDO G-RX6 (HEAVY WEIGHT)

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http://www.mod.go.jp/


La estrategia de alta disciplina, sigilo en sus desarrollos, practicas continuas, silencio
absoluto a sus familias sobre donde estan situados sus marinos, en que escenario y que
maniobras han realizado, les toma un año, en que puedan revelarlas.
 El conocimiento de los sonidos, especificaciones, ublicaciones asi como sus faenas
que realizan, les dan a los Subs Japoneses ventajas competitivas sobre la Flota China actual,
que no han sido superadas aun por los vecinos orientales(Flota China).
 Esta disposicion operativa continua, mas las ventajas tecnicas de sus fabricantes, les han
otorgado el reconocimiento de la Armada de E.U. sobre su desempeño, queriendo obtener
sus tecnicas,  y sus adelantos para neutralizar, actuar y mantener el silencio que sus
contrapartes no han logrado, ni con sus motores, como con sus comunicaciones.
 No en balde, los Filipinos, Australianos, INdues e Indonesios, han tomado directivas
para adquirir sus unidades y las capacidades de entrenamiento en dichos equipos
de las fuerzas navales Niponas.

 Vaya un reconocimiento a la Armada Nipona, que no oculta lo que han logrado en sus
ultimos 30 años de maniobras submarinas continuas.!!!!!



Japan’s crack submarine fleet
SENTAKU MAGAZINE ^ | NOV 26, 2015

Posted on 27/11/2015 5:03:11 p.m. by sukhoi-30mki

China has lately been resorting to defiant and audacious acts like claiming its territorial rights over waters around artificial island it has built in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea and unilaterally designating an air defense identification zone in the East China Sea.

While these acts are visible to all, the real front battle line lies deep in the sea where submarines are principal players. This article attempts to provide in-depth descriptions of the real picture of submarines of the Maritime Self-Defense Force and their roles, as little has so far been made known about them.

During the 1998 Rim of the Pacific Exercise off the coast of Hawaii, Adm. Archie Clemens, commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, was dumbfounded as a monitor screen showed that eight vessels of his fleet were “attacked and sunk” one after another by a single MSDF submarine.

In the subsequent RIMPAC exercises, MSDF submarines and surface ships have maintained the upper hand. One U.S. naval officer said that those submarines were the last thing he would like to fight, adding that if they got really serious it would become impossible to continue the exercise.

The reason that has led the United States to give such a complimentary evaluation of MSDF submarines is that they perform at such a high level that even the general Japanese public has trouble grasping just how good they are. This ability stems from two factors: one is the subs’ performance characteristics that are superb even by global standards and the other is the high levels of training that their crews go through.

At present, MSDF submarines are built by two firms ” Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries, both boasting the highest technological standards in the world. Mitsubishi excels in welding skills. The welding skills used for nuclear reactors are also used for submarines. Kawasaki is known for its expertise in reducing vibrations. Silence is essential in preventing submarines from being detected by the enemy.

The high levels of training that MSDF submarine crews have been given should be viewed in a historical perspective. The central headquarters of both the U.S. Navy in Japan and the MSDF are located in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, and MSDF submarines operations are effectively integrated with the U.S. Navy.

During the Cold War, the U.S. Navy entirely entrusted to MSDF submarines the role of watching the movements of Soviet submarines in the Soya Strait between Hokkaido and Sakhalin, the Tsugaru Strait between Honshu and Hokkaido, and the Tsushima Strait between Kyushu and South Korea.

The American reliance on those MSDF submarines stemmed from their excellence in small-turn performance. They are capable of navigating over topographically complicated sea floors with steep uphills, gorges and tangled sea currents in pitch-dark conditions, usually moving at a speed of 5 knots. Today, MSDF submarines can trace every movement of Chinese naval vessels, including subs, from their port departure to every point of their routes, by utilizing an analysis of information sent from U.S. reconnaissance satellites as well as of radio waves.

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the MSDF had 16 submarines and deployed three each in the Soya, Tsugaru and Tsushima Straits with the remaining seven under repair or engaged in training exercises. Lately though, with the rise of Chinese naval power, many of the MSDF submarines are being shifted to waters around the Nansei Islands (the island chain between Kyushu and Taiwan). The MSDF, which now has 18 submarines, plans to raise the number to 22 by 2018.

Critical areas of the MSDF submarines activities aimed at China are the Tsushima Strait, the Miyako Strait between Okinawa Island and Miyako Island, and the Osumi Strait off the southern tip of Kyushu, each of which constitutes a passageway through which Chinese naval vessels must pass to move from the East China Sea to the Pacific Ocean.

A high degree of confidentiality is maintained on the whereabouts of each submarine. The crew members are not allowed to tell their families where they are going or how long they will be away. It is only about once a year, if at all, that an MSDF patrol aircraft or surface ship detects any of the MSDF submarines. And such thoroughgoing confidentiality is highly appreciated by the U.S. Navy.

Moreover, the MSDF submarine crew members possess outstanding skills for detecting the position and movement of enemy vessels by analyzing and processing the sounds emanating from them. The subs sonar equipment, including a towed array sonar trailing behind a submarine for several hundred meters, has the capability to detect sounds coming from a vessel up to 80 km away.

Each submarine is staffed with a crew of about 70, all of whom have passed severe psychological aptitude and air pressure resistance tests. Since their mission calls for a long stay in a completely sealed space, they must be able to cooperate with their colleagues and cope with stress.

Some time ago, Adm. Wu Shengli, commander of the Chinese People Liberation Army Navy, told a high-ranking Self-Defense Forces officer that his navy was aiming to become a blue-water navy, meaning that it would become capable of operating across the deep waters of open oceans. In the 1990s, China was known to have only a brown-water navy, which can operate only in rivers and coastal areas. True to Wus words, China has since been endeavoring to expand its areas of operation into the Pacific.

The East China Sea, where MSDF submarines are deployed, has long stretches of continental shelves, making the average depth only 180 meters, and some areas only 50 meters. That is why China now looks to the South China Sea, where waters are 3,000 to 4,000 meters deep in a number of areas, and has concentrated its state-of-the-art submarines in the South Sea Fleet.

That has led the Japanese Defense Ministry to keep an eye on the 150-km-wide Bashi Channel between Taiwan and the Philippines, which could be used by Chinese submarines as a gateway to the Pacific, which in turn could rapidly increase confrontation with MSDF submarines around the Bonins and other Japanese islands in the Pacific.

The capabilities of MSDF submarines today far surpass those of their Chinese counterparts. But an MSDF officer has warned that if China secretly obtains advanced technologies from various countries and combines them like a jigsaw puzzle, the day may come when Chinese submarines will be on a par with those of the MSDF.

A high-ranking government official has said, meanwhile, that with the passage of the security legislation pushed by the Abe administration, the Self-Defense Forces now have the authority to use weapons to protect U.S. forces during joint patrols or to even exercise the right to collective self-defense.

But unlike most major powers of the world, Japan effectively does not have rules of engagement, which define the circumstances, conditions, degree and manner in which the use of force may be permitted. This situation, a direct result of the laziness on the part of politicians, is forcing the MSDF submarines and their crews to sail in pitch-dark waters bearing the consequences of politicians laziness.

This is an abridged translation of an article from the November issue of Sentaku, a monthly magazine covering political, social and economic scenes.

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Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 19/3/2016, 2:23 pm

Algunas de las caracteristicas del Diseño SORYU, le avanza a los diseños Alemanes
y Franceses, con la especialidad de soldadura en alta escuela, asi como los materiales
y tecnicas de aislamiento interior y exterior de la unidad.
Tomar lo mejor de la tecnologia Sueca entratandose de la generacion combinada
de Oxigeno Puro y Diesel, asi como su extraccion via gas al ambiente submarino de
manera sigiloza, al igual que incluir la patente con licencia otorgada a KAWASAKI,
insertando no 2, sino 4 Kawasaki Kokums Sterling, dandole mayor independencia
submarina, sin necesidad de salir a superficie.





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En la evolucion de desarrollar submarinos en la postguerra, Japon lleva una tendencia de
emigrar en un plazo promedio de 10 años en cada nuevo diseño, lo que implica que si en
en 2005, lanza su serie de 11 submarinos clase Soryu,  seguramente para el 2020,
estara presentando los adelantos de otro diseño progresivo con sus adiciones y mejoras a
las actuales.




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Distribucion de su sistema eficiente de propulsion, con mejora en sus baterias de Litio,
al igual que los generadores Sterling para un mejor impulso de la propela.  


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Imagen del sistema Kawasaki Kockum de propulsion indenpendiente,
que le da bondades a su diseño y operacion, al igual que ha evolucionado
del diseño inicial 501 al actual 508 recien botado(Nov 2015).



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Posicionamiento compacto de la unidad, al igual que en la siguiente imagen la optimizacion
del espacio en la seccion de popa del submarino, dando una eficiente distribucion de los
espacios interiores....


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Ubicacion precisa de el equipo, creando un mayor espacio para el almacenamiento
del tanque del Oxigeno puro de mayor capacidad, al igual que el de Diesel!!!!!


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La parte de los sistemas de ataque/defensa, que estan integrados a evoluciones
mas eficientes, le provee prestaciones que para la Naval de los E.U. le provee
una gran tranquilidad, el que pueda navegar en ambientes sigilozos sin ser
detectado, y que haya podido navegar persiguiendo a los movimientos de la Flota Naval
China por mas de 15 dias en Enero 2016, si que pudiera ser detectado por los vecinos.

Otras ventajas han practicado a su favor, dandole una temerosa letalidad
a su tripulacion, si tuviera que proceder a neutralizar objetivos designados.


Los mismos buques de la Armada de los E.U. han recibido tristes anuncios en
sus ejercicios conjuntos, donde un solo submarino Japones, ha llegado a
haber hundido a 6 naves de la flota, al no haber detectado sus furtivos
movimientos y haber registrado el contacto en tiempo y forma con
proyectiles demo de sus tubos lanzadores, y haber realizado la
confirmacion del conecte cuerpo/cuerpo sin que los Marinos Gabachos
se dieran cuenta.


FUENTES:

http://www.stirlingengines.org.uk/manufact/manf/misc/subm.html

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/sssoryuclasssubmarin/

http://defencetechnologyreview.realviewdigital.com/?iid=120962&startpage=page0000040#folio=40


NOTA:  LOS CHINOS ESTA MUY INSISTENTES EN ADQUIRIR EL DISEÑO STERLING
SUECO PARA SER INSTALADO EN SUS DISEÑOS CHINOS.
 AQUI UNA IMAGEN DEL DISEÑO YUAN CLASS 041 CHINO, QUE PRESUME ESTAR
ACTUALIZANDO ESTOS EQUIPOS EN ELLOS.



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Mensaje por sasori el 19/3/2016, 3:51 pm

Unos 4 por favor con una order de atun.

Se verian muy bien con la bandera mexicana y no digan que no necesita la armada mexicana submarinos.
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Despues de un largo impasse, tengo anuencia para compartir algunas
imagenes del interior de este diseño SORYU, donde las fotos no son
nuevas, sino que las liberan para dar una semblanza de lo que
los Australianos pueden tener si deciden adquirir estas unidades:





SALON COMEDOR DE OFICIALES:


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CUARTO DE MAQUINAS EN VISION DE PROFUNDIDAD:


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ASIGNACION DE DORMITORIOS DE TRIPULACION:


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ESTACION FRENTE A PUESTO DE MANDO:


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POSICION DE PERISCOPIO PREVIO A SU USO:


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Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 19/3/2016, 4:30 pm





ESTACIONES DE DIRECCION, VELOCIDAD, PROFUNDIDAD Y DE SONAR ENTRE OTROS.



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EQUIPO DE CONTROL DE MANDO INTEGRADO:


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ESTACION DE LANZAMIENTO DE SEÑUELOS/MISILES/TORPEDOS,ETC.:


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ELEMENTO DE LA TRIPULACION EN MANTENIMIENTO DE RUTINA DEL EQUIPO:


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Ya por ultimo , imagen de la botadura de uno de los Subs clase Soryu!!!!


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Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 15/3/2017, 2:57 pm


De los 12 planeados a entregar por la armadora de Submarinos Kawasaki, se entrego ayer el 508, del cual restan solo 4 mas con planes para concluirlos hasta en el 2021.

Sin duda que estos equipos presentan modificaciones a los 4 primeros, y dichos avances
los han compartido con los Gabachos y otros prospectos interesados en su tecnologia.
Veremos que tan efectivos se ven estos nuevos juguetes!!!!




Kawasaki delivers Japan's eighth Souryu-class submarine

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
14 March 2017








The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) has taken delivery of its eighth Souryu-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) from Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI).

The 4,100 tonne (when submerged) vessel, which has been named Sekiryu with pennant number 508, was handed over on 13 March in a ceremony held at KHI's facilities in Kobe.

The SSK is the fourth Souryu-class boat to be built by KHI, and was first laid down in March 2013. The boat was subsequently launched by the shipbuilder in November 2015.

According to Jane's Fighting Ships, the Souryu class features a length of 84 m, a beam of 9.1 m, and a hull draught of 8.5 m. The platform, which is powered by two Kawasaki 12V 25/25 diesel engines, and four Kawasaki Kockums V4-275R Stirling air-independent propulsion (AIP) engines, has a top speed of 20 kt when submerged, and 12 kt when surfaced.

The Souryu class is equipped with six 533 m bow tubes that can fire the Japanese-developed Type 89 heavyweight torpedo. The boats are also capable of deploying the UGM-84C Harpoon medium-range anti-ship missile against surface targets. Each vessel has also been equipped with underwater countermeasure launchers.

The JMSDF currently operates a fleet of seven other Souryu-class SSKs, four of which were built by another Japanese shipbuilder, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI). Funding for a 12th boat was approved under Japan's fiscal year 2016 budget, and the country is expected to operate a fleet of 12 Souryu-class submarines by 2021.

http://www.janes.com/article/68693/kawasaki-delivers-japan-s-eighth-souryu-class-submarine

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Mensaje por Takeda el 15/3/2017, 10:05 pm

Una belleza estas naves, en lo personal me sorprendió que quedaran descartadas por los australianos.
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Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 15/3/2017, 10:38 pm

Takeda escribió:Una belleza estas naves, en lo personal me sorprendió que quedaran descartadas por los australianos.

Asi fue estimado Takeda, 3 elementos los Franchutes le dieron mayor peso a los australianos
para inclinar la balanza contra la opcion de los Nipones; la permanencia mas prolongada en su
mision submarina, capacidades de diseño stealth mejoradas, dimensiones mas robustas
y mejor desempeño en uso del sonar Franchute.

EStos elementos le dieron mayor valor a los Australianos, que asemeja en algo a los Collins
viejos que tiene por sus dimensiones, mas lo que la tecnologia mejorada en menor
escala de los Nipones no le dieron peso al final:
- mas dispositivos y material usado de mayor silencio por paredes aisladas que favorecen en su navegacion,
- asi como la propulsion silenciosa de origen Noruego instalados, y
- tal vez no lograron probar los dispositivos ultimos instalados en estos ultimos 4 de Kawasaki, que dan las 3 y las malas a sus capacidades de monitoreo con sonar propio.

Si es que sucede, y cuando hubiere enfrentamientos de estos Subs nipones con alguna lucha armada naval con los Chinos, quizas revaloraran algunos trucos que fueron ignorados en esta decision de
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Mensaje por sasori el 15/3/2017, 11:01 pm

En UNOs 15 anos Mexico podria tener algo igual.

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