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Con las tecnologias actuales, pareciera muy facil encontrar cualquier objeto
bajo el mar, mas en esta investigacion, aun con sonares y otros instrumentos
avanzados, tienen preguntas por resolver, en cuanto al paradero de este
avion que intento darle la vuelta al mundo en 1937 y desaparecio sin saber
su localizacion exacta.
Por ser mujer, y por romper paradigmas en su epcoa, hoy todavia despierta
curiosidad e interes a los investigadores de este caso.





¿Dónde cayó el avión de Amelia Earhart?

Una foto ofrece una pista La piloto viajaba con su navegador e intentaba dar una vuelta al mundo con su avión, cuando desapareció en 1937

Por Catherine E. Soichet
Viernes, 31 de mayo de 2013 a las 14:51


Lo más importante•En 1937 Earhart intentó dar la vuelta al mundo con su avión
•El grupo dice que se requieren mayores investigaciones para confirmar que se trate de su avión


(CNN) — Una imagen de baja resolución obtenida por medio de un sonar a cientos de metros debajo de la superficie del océano podría ayudar a desentrañar el misterio que ha desconcertado a los historiadores durante décadas.

¿Qué pasó con la aviadora, Amelia Earhart, y dónde está su avión?

Nadie ha podido responder a esa pregunta desde 1937, cuando Earhart, su navegador, Fred Noonar y su avión Lockheed Electra desaparecieron durante un desastroso intento de darle la vuelta al mundo.

Sin embargo, la información que dieron a conocer esta semana un grupo de investigadores que estudiaban el suelo marino registraron la imagen por medio de un sonar hace casi un año cerca de la isla de Nikumaroro, en el Pacífico Sur.

“Es del tamaño correcto, es de la forma correcta y está en el lugar correcto”, señaló en su sitio web el Grupo Internacional para la Recuperación de Aeronaves Históricas.

Pero no fue sino hasta marzo que uno de los analistas relacionó la información en un foro en línea del grupo.

La organización señala que los expertos han propuesto diferentes interpretaciones. Algunos piensan que puede ser un objeto hecho por el hombre, otros dicen que puede ser un accidente geológico.

“Entonces, ¿la expedición (del año pasado) tuvo éxito al ubicar los restos del avión desaparecido más famoso del mundo, o acaso este sonar detectó una simple roca coralina o una cresta?”, cuestionó la organización en su sitio web.

“Claro que no lo sabremos hasta que podamos regresar allí, pero hasta entonces, vale la pena estudiar minuciosamente esa anomalía”.

http://mexico.cnn.com/salud/2013/05/31/donde-cayo-el-avion-de-amelia-earhart-una-foto-ofrece-una-pista


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Earhart Project Research Bulletin
May 28, 2013

Niku VII Analysis Update


TIGHAR is able to share details of our search for a conclusive answer to the Earhart mystery thanks to the international agreement signed in Washington, DC on March 20, 2012. The Republic of Kiribati, the sovereign nation of which Nikumaroro is a part, has granted TIGHAR the exclusive right to conduct research, search, and recovery operations related to the Earhart disappearance within the national borders of Kiribati. No one is authorized to undertake Earhart related search, recovery of artifacts or research within the boundaries of Kiribati (including Nikumaroro) without authorization from both the government of Kiribati and TIGHAR.

Is This the Earhart Electra?
It’s exciting. It’s frustrating. It’s maddening. There is a sonar image in the data collected during last summer’s Niku VII expedition that could be the wreckage of Amelia Earhart’s Lockheed Electra. It looks unlike anything else in the sonar data, it’s the right size, it’s the right shape, and it’s in the right place.


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So How Did We Miss It?
The purpose of the expedition was to test the hypothesis that the Earhart aircraft, after landing on the reef at Gardner Island (now Nikumaroro), was subsequently washed over the reef edge, broke up in the surf, and sank near the point where the Bevington Object appears in a 1937 photograph. (For a full discussion of the Bevington Object see The Object Formerly Known as Nessie.) If the hypothesis is correct there should be aircraft wreckage somewhere on the reef slope.

The search contractor, using an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV), acquired side-scan sonar data along roughly 1.3 nautical miles of shoreline off the west end of Nikumaroro. The reef slope was surveyed from depths of about 100 meters (328 feet) down to 1200 meters (3,937 feet). We considered the primary search area to be the reef slope between the Bevington Object and the wreck of SS Norwich City.









After analyzing the sonar returns, the contractor gave us targets to investigate using video cameras mounted on the Remote Operated Vehicle (ROV). When we weren’t trying to find and video selected targets, or rescue the AUV from underwater hang-ups, we “mowed the lawn” running up and down the reef slope. We also explored along the bases of underwater cliffs – known as “catchment” areas – where sinking objects might logically come to rest.

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Below left, profile of the reef slope in the area where the anomaly is located.

Below center, AUV sonar image of the cliffs.

Far right, anomaly location relative to targets and ROV tracks.



All the targets we checked turned out to be coral rocks or Norwich City wreckage and, because we lost more than half of our budgeted search time to equipment problems, we didn’t get to finish mowing the lawn and exploring all of the catchment areas before we had to leave. The sonar anomaly that now has our attention was never given to us as a target to explore and it’s in a catchment area that we didn’t quite get to. The side-scan data that include the image are among the “deliverables” the contractor gave us but that information was not turned over to us until after the search was concluded and we were at sea on the way back to Hawai‘i.

After the expedition, trusting that all suspicious sonar targets had been brought to our attention, we concentrated on reviewing the high-definition (HD) video to see if there might be something we missed (the high definition video system provided by the contractor did not allow us to see HD video in real time).

After reviewing all of the underwater HD video, the only site of interest identified by forensic imaging specialist Jeff Glickman is a small debris field of objects in relatively shallow water – 61 meters (200 feet). As reported in Debris Field Analysis, Glickman feels 100% certain that the objects in the debris field are man-made. He is 80% sure the objects are related to the Bevington Object seen at the reef edge in the 1937 photos taken by British Colonial Service Officer Eric Bevington. Jeff cautions, however, that these assessments “are subjective and are based upon my knowledge and experience as opposed to being objective, calculated probabilities.” There just isn’t enough resolution in the video to see the degree of detail needed to say more.

The debris field in the video is, however, in a catchment area at the base of a cliff and just downstream (the current flows southward in that area) of the spot where the Bevington Object appears in the 1937 photo. When Jeff was reviewing the video, so as not to bias his assessment, he purposely was not aware of where on the reef slope the video was taken. Only after he spotted the debris field did we calculate where it was.

It wasn’t until March 7, 2013 that Richard Conroy, a member of TIGHAR’s on-line Amelia Earhart Search Forum, spotted the anomaly in a sonar map that was included in the Niku VII report in TIGHAR Tracks. Richie has no training in interpreting sonar images but that was probably his biggest advantage. Once you know what to look for, the anomaly is painfully obvious. It gives the impression of being an object that struck the slope at the base of the second cliff at a depth of 187 meters (613 feet), then skidded in a southerly direction for about 40 meters (131 feet) before coming to rest.
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This is the map of ROV Dive 3 published in TIGHAR Tracks in which Richie Conroy spotted the anomaly. TIGHAR Amelia Earhart Search Forum, March 7, 2013: “Ric, the image I have attached shows an anomaly below second cliff which arrow points to. Do you have a sonar image with better detail?”







Looking at the map of all the ROV tracks it was apparent that we had never been to the place where the anomaly appears.












The anomaly is in the catchment area at the base of the second cliff.











How Good Is It?

The interpretation of sonar imagery is an art, not a science. To get a feel for whether this sonar target is as promising as it looks to us, we asked for the opinions of experts who work with sonar images for a living and, as is usually the case, interpretations differ. Opinions range from “almost certainly a man-made object” to “probably geology” but everyone who has reviewed the data agrees that the target is worthy of further investigation.

The most colorful feedback was from Wolfgang Burnside, president of Submersible Systems, Inc. and the inventor and pilot of the TRV-M Remote Operated Vehicle (ROV) we used during last summer’s expedition. Wolfgang spent over 32 hours searching the reef slope at Nikumaroro and knows its terrain better than anyone. His reaction to the sonar image is best read aloud in a thick Fifeshire Scots brogue:

“Bloody Hell…….. well, we did look across the first “Catchment” ledge, but, for some reason we cut our excursion / survey short when we tried to follow the next “Catchment” ledge……if only we had continued just that little bit further!!
This Target looks VERY promising, definitely NOT a Rock, it’s in the correct location on the Reef and also shows what I interpret as ‘drag’ markings on the Reef above and to the North behind the target as it obviously hasn’t quite settled into its final resting place yet, this movement is probably due to the occasional Storms or exceptional Tides that’ll move the target a few inches every time one blows through.
Question is, how long will the Target remain in that location before it gets the final nudge that will send it over the edge of the “Catchment” area and disappear down the 70 degree incline into the depths?
Thank you so much for sharing Ric, I have also been looking through the raw Video footage, from time to time, but, sadly, have not really come up with anything as close to promising as you have……..smarty pants!”

So did the Niku VII expedition actually succeed in locating the wreckage of the world’s most famous missing airplane? Or is this sonar target just a coral rock or ridge? Of course we’re not going to know until we can get back out there, but until then the anomaly is worth close study.

One of These Things is Not Like the Others…

The first thing we can say about the object is that there is nothing else like it in the entire mosaic of side-scan sonar data. Whatever it is, it is truly an anomaly in the context of the reef slope at Nikumaroro and when you’re searching for man-made objects against a natural background, anomalies are good.










Size Counts

The next question is scale. How big is it? It can’t be wreckage from the airplane if it’s bigger than the airplane. By scaling it to known distances and the reported dimensions of identified targets, the most prominent part of the anomaly appears to be less than 10 meters (32 feet) long. The Electra fuselage was 11.76 meters (38 feet 7 inches) long. The height of the anomaly is harder to estimate. The only clue we have is the shadow – remember that it’s a sound shadow, not a light shadow – which suggests that the object is higher on the downhill end.



Breaking Up is Hard To Do

TIGHAR teams have visited and studied three Electra crash sites.

c/n 1103 flew smack into Mt. Richmond in New Zealand in 1942 killing all five on board;
c/n 1024 crashed near Kellogg, Idaho in 1936 with only mail on board. The pilot and copilot died on impact. (The crash site is the subject of this year’s TIGHAR Aviation Archaeology Field School.)
c/n 1021 made a crash landing in trees in the Misty Fjords Wilderness Area east of Ketchikan, Alaska in 1943. All five passengers and the pilot survived the crash but one passenger succumbed of injuries two days later and the pilot died trying to hike out to bring help.
Each wreck has given us valuable information about what happens to a Lockheed Model 10 in different crash scenarios. Of the three, the Alaska wreck is the most analogous to the forces and damage to be expected in the case of an Electra going into the surf on a coral reef. In the Alaska crash the aircraft shed its engines, right wing, and tail surfaces as it came down through the trees. The center section, with its massive main beam, reinforced inner wing sections and thick belly skins, held together but the thinner cockpit and cabin skins were torn open. The empennage (tail section) separated just behind the wing.









The wreckage of c/n 1021 faces uphill behind the TIGHAR / U.S. Forest Service team that surveyed the site in 2003.

One possibility is that we’re seeing the center section lying at an angle, much as we see in the Alaska crash, with the port-side wing stub causing the elongated shadow in the sonar image.

The Tale of the Tail

A unique feature of the anomaly is the sonar “tail” that extends uphill and northward behind the more prominent portion of the target that is casting a large shadow. Our initial impression was that the tail is, in aircraft crash investigation parlance, a “ground scar.” Such scarring is common when aircraft come to earth in ways other than we would normally prefer. However, after examining the nature of the underwater terrain in video (see Base of the 2nd Cliff) taken at about the same depth 50 meters away (the closest we have) it’s difficult to imagine a skidding fuselage plowing a furrow that would persist for 75 years.

A higher-resolution copy of the image captured from the raw sonar data reveals details that suggest another explanation for the sonar tail. There appears to be a break in the prominent part of the anomaly, corroborated by a break in the shadow. Also, some of the tail is casting a low shadow so it must have some elevation. Something that always strikes us about Electra wrecks or repair shops where Electras are being restored or rebuilt is the incredible amount of “junk” that came out of the airplane. Rather than a ground scar, a more likely hypothesis is that the tail is a debris field of fuselage wreckage, internal components, cables, crushed fuel tanks, etc. strewn behind the eviscerated center section.

Location, Location, Location

Finally, it’s worth noting that the anomaly lines up nicely with the Bevington Object and Jeff Glickman’s debris field. You can draw a straight line between any two points, but a line that connects three points, each point deeper than the next and consistent with the southerly flowing current, suggests that the three points are related.







Next Steps

The better a piece of evidence looks, the harder you have to try to disqualify it. So far, the harder we’ve looked at this anomaly, the better it looks. Maybe the anomaly is a coral feature that just happens to give a sonar return unlike any other coral feature on the entire reef slope. Maybe it’s a sunken fishing boat that isn’t mentioned in any of the historical literature. Maybe it’s the boat nobody knows about that that brought the castaway nobody missed who died at the Seven Site. Maybe it’s pure coincidence that it‘s the right size and shape to be the Electra wreckage – the Electra that so much other evidence suggests should be in that location.

We’re not going to know until we can get back out there and we’re not going to get back out there until we settle the debts from the last trip and raise the money for the next one. Meanwhile, we can’t help but wonder what else was missed in the sonar data. The next step, therefore, is a complete review of all the sonar data by independent experts. It will cost money – money that we don’t have right now – but we’re hopeful that contributors will step forward with donations large and small to make it possible. Please do what you can today.
EN ESTA DIRECCION PRESENTAN SUS ESTUDIOS A LA FECHA, Y LO QUE HAN ENCONTRADO.
http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/66_NikuVIIUpdate/66_NikuVIIUpdate.html
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Asi como este caso, ¿cuantos accidentes han quedado sin resolver? Con los dispositivos temporales que las unidades aereas llevan, para ser localizadas en las primas horas siguientes al accidente, ha ayudado a su localizacion.
En esos años, pensar en estos tipos de dispositivos, estaba muy lejos de la realidad. Para la historia de la aviacion, encontrar esta incognita, sera un balsamo para muchas preguntas sin resolver.
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Mensaje por cedric17 el 2/6/2013, 3:08 pm

Rogersukoi27 escribió:

Asi como este caso, ¿cuantos accidentes han quedado sin resolver? Con los dispositivos temporales que las unidades aereas llevan, para ser localizadas en las primas horas siguientes al accidente, ha ayudado a su localizacion.
En esos años, pensar en estos tipos de dispositivos, estaba muy lejos de la realidad. Para la historia de la aviacion, encontrar esta incognita, sera un balsamo para muchas preguntas sin resolver.

ojala y con las nuevas tecnologias se puedan resolver este tipo de sucesos


Otro caso de desapariciones aereas muy impactante es el del avion militar argentino desaparecido en centroamerica hace casi 50 años,el avion de la Fuerza Aérea Argentina llevaba 69 cadetes en viaje de instrucción hacia EE.UU y 9 tripulantes.

todavia hoy en dia los argentinos son muy sensibles con ese tema y cada año surgen hipotesis nuevas sobre lo que pudo pasar

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Otro caso....tambièn....PARECIDO Y EMBLEMÀTICO....

Glenn Miller...su aviòn desaparecido en 1944 en el atlàntico...Y NUNCA INVESTIGADO...hasta la fecha...(la teorìa negra dice que fue presa de los mismos AVIONES ALIADOS...que le dieron flit antes de percartarse que era AMIGO).....


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Despues de tanta especulacion y diferentes teorias sobre el fatidico resultado
de Amalia Earhart, en un cuerpo encontrado en una de las Islas Fiji en 1940,
un estudio realizado entonces con poca experiencia forensica, se interpreto
que pertenecian a un hombre.
Ahora, con los adelantos cientificos forenses, tienen una opinion mas cercana
y concluyente que si presenta el perfil segun la estatura conocida de la
piloto hasta la fecha dictaminada como no encontrada.
La confirmacion de esta conclusion, merecera sin duda estudios adicionales para
dejar de ser una simple hipotesis.










Bones found on Pacific island belong to Amelia Earhart, scientist claims
CTV News Channel: Finding Amelia Earhart

Author of 'Finding Amelia' Rick Gillespie explains how a doctor from Tennessee says there's a 99 per cent likelihood the bones are hers.



Josh Elliott
Josh K. Elliott, CTVNews.ca

@joshkelliott


Published Thursday, March 8, 2018 12:22PM EST
Aviation pioneer Amelia Earhart may have survived her ill-fated final flight only to die on a tiny island in the Western Pacific Ocean, according to new analysis comparing photos of the pilot to skeletal remains found on a remote coral atoll.

The remains were recovered from Nikumaroro (a.k.a. Gardner Island) in 1940, and were initially judged to have belonged to a man. But a new study by forensic anthropology professor Richard Jantz, of the University of Tennessee, suggests the methods used to evaluate the bones were flawed. Jantz says the doctor who measured the bones wasn’t fully schooled in modern forensics, and that the measurements actually have more similarity to Earhart’s body than 99 per cent of individuals in the Forensic Anthropology Data Bank.

“In the case of the Nikumaroro bones, the only documented person to whom they may belong is Amelia Earhart,” Jantz writes in the study, which is published in the latest edition of the Forensic Anthropology journal.



In a photo provided by The Paragon Agency, aviator Amelia Earhart on the wing of her Electra plane, taken by Albert Bresnik at Burbank Airport in Burbank, Calif. on May 20, 1937. (The Paragon Agency / Albert Bresnik)




Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan




In a 1937 file photo, aviator Amelia Earhart and navigator Fred Noonan, pose in front of their twin-engine Lockheed Electra in Los Angeles prior to their historic flight in which Earhart was attempting to become first female pilot to circle the globe. (AP Photo, File)

Earhart disappeared along with navigator Fred Noonan in 1937 en route to Howland Island in the Pacific Ocean, during an attempt to fly around the world In a Lockheed Electra aircraft. Her fate has remained a mystery and source of speculation for decades, with some suggesting she may have survived the flight and taken refuge on one of the tiny islands in the Pacific.

Nikumaroro is approximately 650 kilometres south-south east of Howland Island, and has been scoured multiple times as part of the search for Earhart and Noonan.

The bones found on the island were originally examined by Dr. D.W. Hoodless, principal of the Central Medical School in Fiji in 1940. He recorded four skull measurements and three long bone measurements, and concluded that the remains likely belonged to a stocky male standing just over 5-foot-5 in height.

However, there has been some back-and-forth over the interpretation of those measurements in recent decades, especially since the bones themselves have been lost. A study from 1998 suggested Hoodless’ conclusion was wrong, and that the bones actually belonged to a female of European ancestry, between 5-foot-6 and 5-foot-8. Another study from 2015 defended Hoodless’ initial conclusions, arguing that he was qualified to accurately examine the remains, and that Earhart’s body was too “linear and gracile” to be confused with a stocky male body.

“Both of these arguments turn on the accuracy of Hoodless’ assessment,” Jantz says in his paper, adding that Hoodless was not specifically trained as a modern forensic anthropologist. He also suggests that the methods used for evaluating bone measurements at the time were “inadequate to the task” of determining height and sex.

Jantz says Earhart stood approximately 5-foot-7 to 5-foot-8, based on photographic evidence and a study of the clothing she left behind. “Her height is entirely consistent with the bones,” Jantz says. He also suggests that her above-average height for a woman might have fooled the “inexperienced eye” into thinking her body was male, based on the angle of certain hip bones recovered from the island. “The bones are entirely consistent with Earhart in all respects we know or can reasonably infer,” he says.

Jantz adds that a 100 per cent match in his analysis would be ideal, but he attributes the 1 per cent variance to potential errors in Hoodless’ measurements.

Previous studies have already ruled out the possibility that the remains might have belonged to Noonan, who was over six feet tall.

The island

Settlers initially found a skull on Nikumororo in 1940, prompting a more thorough search that unearthed more remains, including a humerus, radius, tibia, fibula and both femora, according to Jantz. The search team also found the remains of a woman’s shoe, a bottle of herbal liqueur called Benedictine and the box for an American-made sextant, an instrument used to measure distances, from 1918.

A shipwreck on a nearby reef in 1929 resulted in the death of 11 men, including seven whose bodies were never found. “This number included two British and five Yemeni that were unaccounted for, but we have no documentation on them and there is no evidence that any survived to die as a castaway,” Jantz says. He also suggests that the woman’s shoe and the American sextant box likely would not have belonged to any of those missing men, nor would it have been found with a castaway Islander.

There are many theories surrounding the fate of Earhart and Noonan, including some that suggest they became lost on their way to Howland Island and opted to land on another island in the area. Nikumororo has been considered as one of those possible landing spots. One expedition to the island in 2012 set out to determine exactly whether that was the case, based on photos suggesting there might be pieces of the aircraft in the area. However, no concrete evidence was found to prove Earhart’s Electra had gone down in the area.

Another theory suggests the pair might have ended up in the Japanese-held Marshall Islands, where they might have been taken prisoner by the Japanese military. A History channel documentary from last year added some weight to that theory with analysis of a photo taken in the Marshall Islands after July 2, 1937, when Earhart and Noonan disappeared. The documentary suggested Earhart could be seen in the photo, although a history blogger disputed the claim by arguing that the photo was taken two years prior to Earhart’s last flight.

Still others suggest Earhart’s plane simply ran out of gas, crashed into the ocean and sank beneath the waves, never to be seen again.



https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/bones-found-on-pacific-island-belong-to-amelia-earhart-scientist-claims-1.3834379

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