Este es un foro dedicado a las Fuerzas Armadas Mexicanas así como de los diferentes Cuerpos de Policía y demás entes que se dedican a la Seguridad interna de México.


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Mensaje por GALIL el 29/12/2014, 6:28 pm

Rogersukoi27 escribió:
Dudo que le dejen las unidades de misiles Harpoon y los SM-1 que puedan traer, conociendo los recortes a equipos de avanzada sobre Naves transferidas previamente. Si los llegaran a dejar, dificilmente habra repostamiento de los mismos, en caso de que los usen para practicas y/o objetivos de hundimiento.
No se logro dejarlos en las Patrullas misileras recibidas de Israel.

Las clase Huracán traen los Gabriel MK II, no? scratch

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Si traian los Gabriel, mas cuando las unidades operaban en la Armada de Israel, tenian los Harpoon como parte de su equipo, y al adquirirlos por Mexico, no autorizaron los gringos que se los incluyeran.!!
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Comparto  el contenido oficial ya publicado en el equivalente al Diario Oficial de los E.U., que presenta la aprobacion de todos los procesos previos a su publicacion oficial,
en  los dias del 19 de Diciembre de 2014.

Ahora el Gobierno Mexicano,  hara su parte para formalizar la transferencia, asi como
la asignacion al Astillero dentro de los E.U. para su puesta en forma.
 Dentro del presupuesto actualizado por las 6 unidades transferidas, se autorizan
$500 millones de dolares,  que al dividirlos entre 6 unidades,  tocan $83 millones
por cada una,  o $166 millones por las 2 asignadas a Mexico.

  Con ese presupuesto logran construir nuevas las PO  clase Oaxaca y les alcanza para
las ceremonias y premios a los Astilleros.
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S. 1683
One Hundred Thirteenth Congress
of the
United States of America
AT THE SECOND SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Friday,
the third day of January, two thousand and fourteen
An Act
To provide for the transfer of naval vessels to certain foreign recipients, and for
other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES DEFINED.
In this Act, the term ‘‘appropriate congressional committees’’
means—
(1) the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate;
and
(2) the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.
TITLE I—TRANSFER OF EXCESS UNITED
STATES NAVAL VESSELS
SEC. 101. SHORT TITLE.
This title may be cited as the ‘‘Naval Vessel Transfer Act
of 2013’’.
SEC. 102. TRANSFER OF NAVAL VESSELS TO CERTAIN FOREIGN RECIPIENTS.
(a) TRANSFERS BY GRANT TO MEXICO.—The President is authorized
to transfer to the Government of Mexico the OLIVER HAZARD
PERRY class guided missile frigates USS CURTS (FFG–38) and
USS MCCLUSKY (FFG–41) on a grant basis under section 516
of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j).
(b) TRANSFER BY SALE TO THE TAIPEI ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL
REPRESENTATIVE OFFICE IN THE UNITED STATES.—The President
is authorized to transfer the OLIVER HAZARD PERRY class guided
missile frigates USS TAYLOR (FFG–50), USS GARY (FFG–51),
USS CARR (FFG–52), and USS ELROD (FFG–55) to the Taipei
Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States
(which is the Taiwan instrumentality designated pursuant to section
10(a) of the Taiwan Relations Act (22 U.S.C. 3309(a))) on a sale
basis under section 21 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2761).
(c) ALTERNATIVE TRANSFER AUTHORITY.—Notwithstanding the
authority provided in subsections (a) and (b) and to transfer specific
vessels to specific countries, the President is authorized to transfer
any vessel named in this title to any country named in this section,
subject to the same conditions that would apply for such country
under this section, such that the total number of vessels transferred
S. 1683—2
to such country does not exceed the total number of vessels authorized
for transfer to such country by this section.
(d) GRANTS NOT COUNTED IN ANNUAL TOTAL OF TRANSFERRED
EXCESS DEFENSE ARTICLES.—The value of a vessel transferred to
another country on a grant basis pursuant to authority provided
by subsection (a) shall not be counted against the aggregate value
of excess defense articles transferred in any fiscal year under section
516 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j).
(e) COSTS OF TRANSFERS.—Any expense incurred by the United
States in connection with a transfer authorized by this section
shall be charged to the recipient notwithstanding section 516(e)
of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j(e)).
(f) REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT IN UNITED STATES SHIPYARDS.—
To the maximum extent practicable, the President shall
require, as a condition of the transfer of a vessel under this section,
that the recipient to which the vessel is transferred have such
repair or refurbishment of the vessel as is needed, before the
vessel joins the naval forces of that recipient, performed at a shipyard
located in the United States.
(g) EXPIRATION OF AUTHORITY.—The authority to transfer a
vessel under this section shall expire at the end of the 3-year
period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act.
TITLE II—ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS
SEC. 201. ENHANCED CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF ARMS SALES,
INCLUDING TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
Section 36 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2776)
is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘‘(i) PRIOR NOTIFICATION OF SHIPMENT OF ARMS.—At least 30
days prior to a shipment of defense articles subject to the requirements
of subsection (b) at the joint request of the Chairman and
Ranking Member of the Committee on Foreign Relations of the
Senate or the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives,
the President shall provide notification of such pending
shipment, in unclassified form, with a classified annex as necessary,
to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate and the
Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.’’.
SEC. 202. INCREASE IN ANNUAL LIMITATION ON TRANSFER OF EXCESS
DEFENSE ARTICLES.
Section 516(g)(1) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22
U.S.C. 2321j(g)(1)) is amended by striking ‘‘$425,000,000’’ and
inserting ‘‘$500,000,000’’.
SEC. 203. INTEGRATED AIR AND MISSILE DEFENSE PROGRAMS AT
TRAINING LOCATIONS IN SOUTHWEST ASIA.
Section 544(c) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C.
2347c(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
‘‘(4) The President shall report to the appropriate congressional
committees (as defined in section 656(e)) annually on the activities
undertaken in the programs authorized under this subsection.’’.
SEC. 204. LICENSING OF CERTAIN COMMERCE-CONTROLLED ITEMS.
Section 38 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778)
is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
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‘‘(k) LICENSING OF CERTAIN COMMERCE-CONTROLLED ITEMS.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—A license or other approval from the
Department of State granted in accordance with this section
may also authorize the export of items subject to the Export
Administration Regulations if such items are to be used in
or with defense articles controlled on the United States Munitions
List.
‘‘(2) OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—The following requirements
shall apply with respect to a license or other approval to
authorize the export of items subject to the Export Administration
Regulations under paragraph (1):
‘‘(A) Separate approval from the Department of Commerce
shall not be required for such items if such items
are approved for export under a Department of State
license or other approval.
‘‘(B) Such items subject to the Export Administration
Regulations that are exported pursuant to a Department
of State license or other approval would remain under
the jurisdiction of the Department of Commerce with
respect to any subsequent transactions.
‘‘(C) The inclusion of the term ‘subject to the EAR’
or any similar term on a Department of State license
or approval shall not affect the jurisdiction with respect
to such items.
‘‘(3) DEFINITION.—In this subsection, the term ‘Export
Administration Regulations’ means—
‘‘(A) the Export Administration Regulations as maintained
and amended under the authority of the International
Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701
et seq.); or
‘‘(B) any successor regulations.’’.
SEC. 205. AMENDMENTS RELATING TO REMOVAL OF MAJOR DEFENSE
EQUIPMENT FROM UNITED STATES MUNITIONS LIST.
(a) REQUIREMENTS FOR REMOVAL OF MAJOR DEFENSE EQUIPMENT
FROM UNITED STATES MUNITIONS LIST.—Section 38(f) of the
Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778(f)) is amended by adding
at the end the following:
‘‘(5)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the President
shall take such actions as may be necessary to require
that, at the time of export or reexport of any major defense
equipment listed on the 600 series of the Commerce Control
List contained in Supplement No. 1 to part 774 of subtitle
B of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, the major defense
equipment will not be subsequently modified so as to transform
such major defense equipment into a defense article.
‘‘(B) The President may authorize the transformation of
any major defense equipment described in subparagraph (A)
into a defense article if the President—
‘‘(i) determines that such transformation is appropriate
and in the national interests of the United States; and
‘‘(ii) provides notice of such transformation to the chairman
of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House
of Representatives and the chairman of the Committee
on Foreign Relations of the Senate consistent with the
notification requirements of section 36(b)(5)(A) of this Act.
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‘‘(C) In this paragraph, the term ‘defense article’ means
an item designated by the President pursuant to subsection
(a)(1).’’.
(b) NOTIFICATION AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR MAJOR
DEFENSE EQUIPMENT REMOVED FROM UNITED STATES MUNITIONS
LIST.—Section 38(f) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2778(f)), as amended by this section, is further amended by adding
at the end the following:
‘‘(6) The President shall ensure that any major defense
equipment that is listed on the 600 series of the Commerce
Control List contained in Supplement No. 1 to part 774 of
subtitle B of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, shall continue
to be subject to the notification and reporting requirements
of the following provisions of law:
‘‘(A) Section 516(f) of the Foreign Assistance Act of
1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j(f)).
‘‘(B) Section 655 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961
(22 U.S.C. 2415).
‘‘(C) Section 3(d)(3)(A) of this Act.
‘‘(D) Section 25 of this Act.
‘‘(E) Section 36(b), (c), and (d) of this Act.’’.
SEC. 206. AMENDMENT TO DEFINITION OF ‘‘SECURITY ASSISTANCE’’
UNDER THE FOREIGN ASSISTANCE ACT OF 1961.
Section 502B(d) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22
U.S.C. 2304(d)) is amended—
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end; and
(2) by amending paragraph (2)(C) to read as follows:
‘‘(C) any license in effect with respect to the export
to or for the armed forces, police, intelligence, or other
internal security forces of a foreign country of—
‘‘(i) defense articles or defense services under section
38 of the Armed Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2778); or
‘‘(ii) items listed under the 600 series of the Commerce
Control List contained in Supplement No. 1
to part 774 of subtitle B of title 15, Code of Federal
Regulations;’’.
SEC. 207. AMENDMENTS TO DEFINITIONS OF ‘‘DEFENSE ARTICLE’’ AND
‘‘DEFENSE SERVICE’’ UNDER THE ARMS EXPORT CONTROL
ACT.
Section 47 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2794)
is amended—
(1) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A) of paragraph
(3), by striking ‘‘includes’’ and inserting ‘‘means, with respect
to a sale or transfer by the United States under the authority
of this Act or any other foreign assistance or sales program
of the United States’’; and
(2) in paragraph (4), by striking ‘‘includes’’ and inserting
‘‘means, with respect to a sale or transfer by the United States
under the authority of this Act or any other foreign assistance
or sales program of the United States,’’.
SEC. 208. TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—The Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2751 et seq.) is amended—
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(1) in sections 3(a), 3(d)(1), 3(d)(3)(A), 3(e), 5(c), 6, 21(g),
36(a), 36(b)(1), 36(b)(5)(C), 36(c)(1), 36(f), 38(f)(1), 40(f)(1),
40(g)(2)(B), 101(b), and 102(a)(2), by striking ‘‘the Speaker of
the House of Representatives and’’ each place it appears and
inserting ‘‘the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the
Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives,
and’’;
(2) in section 21(i)(1) by inserting after ‘‘the Speaker of
the House of Representatives’’ the following ‘‘, the Committees
on Foreign Affairs and Armed Services of the House of Representatives,’’;
(3) in sections 25(e), 38(f)(2), 38(j)(3), and 38(j)(4)(B), by
striking ‘‘International Relations’’ each place it appears and
inserting ‘‘Foreign Affairs’’;
(4) in sections 27(f) and 62(a), by inserting after ‘‘the
Speaker of the House of Representatives,’’ each place it appears
the following: ‘‘the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House
of Representatives,’’; and
(5) in section 73(e)(2), by striking ‘‘the Committee on
National Security and the Committee on International Relations
of the House of Representatives’’ and inserting ‘‘the Committee
on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs
of the House of Representatives’’.
(b) OTHER TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS.—
(1) ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT.—The Arms Export Control
Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.), as amended by subsection (a),
is further amended—
(A) in section 38—
(i) in subsection (b)(1), by redesignating the second
subparagraph (B) (as added by section 1255(b) of the
Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988
and 1989 (Public Law 100–204; 101 Stat. 1431)) as
subparagraph (C);
(ii) in subsection (g)(1)(A)—
(I) in clause (xi), by striking ‘‘; or’’ and
inserting ‘‘, or’’; and
(II) in clause (xii)—
(aa) by striking ‘‘section’’ and inserting
‘‘sections’’; and
(bb) by striking ‘‘(18 U.S.C. 175b)’’ and
inserting ‘‘(18 U.S.C. 175c)’’; and
(iii) in subsection (j)(2), in the matter preceding
subparagraph (A), by inserting ‘‘in’’ after ‘‘to’’; and
(B) in section 47(2), in the matter preceding subparagraph
(A), by striking ‘‘sec. 21(a),,’’ and inserting ‘‘section
21(a),’’.
(2) FOREIGN ASSISTANCE ACT OF 1961.—Section 502B of the
Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2304) is amended—
(A) in subsection (b), by striking ‘‘Wherever applicable,
a description’’ and inserting ‘‘Wherever applicable, such
report shall include a description’’; and
(B) in subsection (d)(2)(B), by striking ‘‘credits’’ and
inserting ‘‘credits)’’.
S. 1683—6
SEC. 209. APPLICATION OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF EXPORT ADMINISTRATION
ACT OF 1979.
(a) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION.—Section 12(c) of the Export
Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2411(c)) has been in
effect from August 20, 2001, and continues in effect on and after
the date of the enactment of this Act, pursuant to the International
Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) and
notwithstanding section 20 of the Export Administration Act of
1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2419). Section 12(c)(1) of the Export Administration
Act of 1979 is a statute covered by section 552(b)(3) of
title 5, United States Code.
(b) TERMINATION DATE.—Subsection (a) terminates at the end
of the 4-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of
this Act.
Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Vice President of the United States and
President of the Senate


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Mensaje por Motul Ajaw el 30/12/2014, 7:06 pm

Pues yo espero que no las acepte el gobierno mexicano. Se que se me van a ir a la yugular pero considero que con las oaxaca se va por buen camino. Se que tienen diferentes funciones y objetivos.
Con estas naves que si lo vemos ya tienen 30 años de construidas, se volvará a lo mismo de optener buques que en su momento fueron buenos pero que no tienen dientes. Además de amarrarnos, por que eso es, el darles mantenimiento en E.U. sin que los tecnicos mexicanos puedan optener mayor conocimiento.

Es decir se va a traer la carcasa, si acaso con los radares, pero ¿que modelo? ¿desactualizado?
Es a Taiwan a quien se les va a dar con dientes a nosostros no.

Esto es el resultado de el Comando Norte. Por eso no me agrada que México se este involucrando en esto.
Seguiremos siendo el mercado de su chatarra y mientras se para la producción local. Vamos despacio pero por buen camino. Si queremos algo bueno podemos pedir que se construyan naves en españa con los requerimientos de la Semar y nuevos¡¡¡
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Mensaje por GALIL el 30/12/2014, 8:47 pm

Motul Ajaw escribió:Pues yo espero que no las acepte el gobierno mexicano. Se que se me van a ir a la yugular pero considero que con las oaxaca se va por buen camino. Se que tienen diferentes funciones y objetivos.
Con estas naves que si lo vemos ya tienen 30 años de construidas, se volvará a lo mismo de optener buques que en su momento fueron buenos pero que no tienen dientes. Además de amarrarnos, por que eso es, el darles mantenimiento en E.U. sin que los tecnicos mexicanos puedan optener mayor conocimiento.

Es decir se va a traer la carcasa, si acaso con los radares, pero ¿que modelo? ¿desactualizado?
Es a Taiwan a quien se les va a dar con dientes a nosostros no.

Esto es el resultado de el Comando Norte. Por eso no me agrada que México se este involucrando en esto.
Seguiremos siendo el mercado de su chatarra y mientras se para la producción local. Vamos despacio pero por buen camino. Si queremos algo bueno podemos pedir que se construyan naves en españa con los requerimientos de la Semar y nuevos¡¡¡

Por mi parte, nada de yugular... comparto su punto de vista, se ha crecido bastante con las Oaxaca y Montes Azules. Pienso que la limitante al diseñar un buque con mas armamento es POLITICA, no económica.

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Rogersukoi27 escribió:
Si traian los Gabriel, mas cuando las unidades operaban en la Armada de Israel, tenian los Harpoon como parte de su equipo, y al adquirirlos por Mexico, no autorizaron los gringos que se los incluyeran.!!

Me disculpo por seguir haciendo offtopic..pero no se supone que por eso dieron los misiles Gabriel??, quitaron los Harpoon y se quedaron estos ultimos de fabricación israelí en las Huracan, cuando dice "Si traían los Gabriel" quiere decir que ya no los tiene??


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Mi comentario estimado Fuurher es que los que trajeron en su proa, venian completos, y los que se han ido usando, no se han repostado, por lo que significa: traian (refiriendome a completos). Se que les quedan algunos en su proa, mas no se han vuelto a poner en su extension para ese proposito.
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Mensaje por T-6 texan el 25/2/2015, 7:23 pm

siempre que onda con estas fragatas siempre si vienen para México por que ya estamos terminando Febrero y ni señas de su donación a nuestra armada
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Mensaje por falcon6 el 27/2/2015, 11:10 am

Y ni llegaran, dijo Don Tio Filito
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Mensaje por T-6 texan el 27/2/2015, 11:23 am

falcon6 escribió:Y ni llegaran, dijo Don Tio Filito

Dejame adivinar mi estimado razón que los políticos dijeron que iva a ser mucho dinero adaptarlas y que la armada está en un buen nivel bélico (sarcasmo)
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Mensaje por falcon6 el 27/2/2015, 11:40 am

EEEEEEExacto, que comes que adivinas
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Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 27/2/2015, 12:17 pm



Lo que no se publica, es la presion que pueda estar sintiendo el Copetes, empezando por tener que generar una
ley para que los agentes foraneos puedan portar armas dentro del pais, seguramente le estaran recordando
que el par de buques dados de baja, no pueden seguir flotando en su lado, y que le den tramite a la autorizacion
que ya dio su propio congreso.
Sean economicas o no, suena mas a una recordada a las faenas que
acordaron cumplir como agrupacion Conjunta de Seguridad del Hemisferio Norte, debe de tener fecha.
La fecha es la que puede quedar para tiempos despues de elecciones.... y no necesariamente nuestras!!!
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Mensaje por estril_02 el 16/5/2015, 12:40 am

Mediados de Mayo y aun nada. Tal vez como lo mencionaron después de las elecciones para no hacer ruido de que estamos en crisis y ellos armándose, ya saben, medios amarillistas. Pues si fuera congresista y si me perdonan, me opondría a gastar dinero en eso, y mejor haría que se invirtiera en el desarrollo de mas buques de fabricación nacional, tal vez una nueva clase de OPV o por que no, una corbeta.
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Mensaje por T-6 texan el 8/7/2015, 3:42 pm

Ya medio año y nada de nada creo que es mejor olvidar este tema que está más muerto que nada sobre que OHP vendrían a México y enfocarnos en las FREEM o las SIGMA que veo mas cerca de llegar a la armada
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Mensaje por sasori el 8/7/2015, 4:30 pm

En seis diaz vamos a saber si se compran Los 50 helicopteros y tam bien lo de los buques framm. La verdad para que quermos buques corridos. Si tu vieran unos 10 o 15 anos en tonces que bueno toda via tienen vida util

Creo que fue rechazada la oferta.
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Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 8/7/2015, 5:49 pm

Rogersukoi27 escribió:Comparto  el contenido oficial ya publicado en el equivalente al Diario Oficial de los E.U., que presenta la aprobacion de todos los procesos previos a su publicacion oficial,
en  los dias del 19 de Diciembre de 2014.

Ahora el Gobierno Mexicano,  hara su parte para formalizar la transferencia, asi como
la asignacion al Astillero dentro de los E.U. para su puesta en forma.
 Dentro del presupuesto actualizado por las 6 unidades transferidas, se autorizan
$500 millones de dolares,  que al dividirlos entre 6 unidades,  tocan $83 millones
por cada una,  o $166 millones por las 2 asignadas a Mexico.

  Con ese presupuesto logran construir nuevas las PO  clase Oaxaca y les alcanza para
las ceremonias y premios a los Astilleros.
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S. 1683
One Hundred Thirteenth Congress
of the
United States of America
AT THE SECOND SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Friday,
the third day of January, two thousand and fourteen
An Act
To provide for the transfer of naval vessels to certain foreign recipients, and for
other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. APPROPRIATE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES DEFINED.
In this Act, the term ‘‘appropriate congressional committees’’
means—
(1) the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate;
and
(2) the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.
TITLE I—TRANSFER OF EXCESS UNITED
STATES NAVAL VESSELS
SEC. 101. SHORT TITLE.
This title may be cited as the ‘‘Naval Vessel Transfer Act
of 2013’’.
SEC. 102. TRANSFER OF NAVAL VESSELS TO CERTAIN FOREIGN RECIPIENTS.
(a) TRANSFERS BY GRANT TO MEXICO.—The President is authorized
to transfer to the Government of Mexico the OLIVER HAZARD
PERRY class guided missile frigates USS CURTS (FFG–38) and
USS MCCLUSKY (FFG–41) on a grant basis under section 516
of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j).
(b) TRANSFER BY SALE TO THE TAIPEI ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL
REPRESENTATIVE OFFICE IN THE UNITED STATES.—The President
is authorized to transfer the OLIVER HAZARD PERRY class guided
missile frigates USS TAYLOR (FFG–50), USS GARY (FFG–51),
USS CARR (FFG–52), and USS ELROD (FFG–55) to the Taipei
Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States
(which is the Taiwan instrumentality designated pursuant to section
10(a) of the Taiwan Relations Act (22 U.S.C. 3309(a))) on a sale
basis under section 21 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2761).
(c) ALTERNATIVE TRANSFER AUTHORITY.—Notwithstanding the
authority provided in subsections (a) and (b) and to transfer specific
vessels to specific countries, the President is authorized to transfer
any vessel named in this title to any country named in this section,
subject to the same conditions that would apply for such country
under this section, such that the total number of vessels transferred
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to such country does not exceed the total number of vessels authorized
for transfer to such country by this section.
(d) GRANTS NOT COUNTED IN ANNUAL TOTAL OF TRANSFERRED
EXCESS DEFENSE ARTICLES.—The value of a vessel transferred to
another country on a grant basis pursuant to authority provided
by subsection (a) shall not be counted against the aggregate value
of excess defense articles transferred in any fiscal year under section
516 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j).
(e) COSTS OF TRANSFERS.—Any expense incurred by the United
States in connection with a transfer authorized by this section
shall be charged to the recipient notwithstanding section 516(e)
of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j(e)).
(f) REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT IN UNITED STATES SHIPYARDS.—
To the maximum extent practicable, the President shall
require, as a condition of the transfer of a vessel under this section,
that the recipient to which the vessel is transferred have such
repair or refurbishment of the vessel as is needed, before the
vessel joins the naval forces of that recipient, performed at a shipyard
located in the United States.

(g) EXPIRATION OF AUTHORITY.—The authority to transfer a
vessel under this section shall expire at the end of the 3-year
period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act.

TITLE II—ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS
SEC. 201. ENHANCED CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OF ARMS SALES,
INCLUDING TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
Section 36 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2776)
is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘‘(i) PRIOR NOTIFICATION OF SHIPMENT OF ARMS.—At least 30
days prior to a shipment of defense articles subject to the requirements
of subsection (b) at the joint request of the Chairman and
Ranking Member of the Committee on Foreign Relations of the
Senate or the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives,
the President shall provide notification of such pending
shipment, in unclassified form, with a classified annex as necessary,
to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate and the
Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives.’’.
SEC. 202. INCREASE IN ANNUAL LIMITATION ON TRANSFER OF EXCESS
DEFENSE ARTICLES.
Section 516(g)(1) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22
U.S.C. 2321j(g)(1)) is amended by striking ‘‘$425,000,000’’ and
inserting ‘‘$500,000,000’’.
SEC. 203. INTEGRATED AIR AND MISSILE DEFENSE PROGRAMS AT
TRAINING LOCATIONS IN SOUTHWEST ASIA.
Section 544(c) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C.
2347c(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
‘‘(4) The President shall report to the appropriate congressional
committees (as defined in section 656(e)) annually on the activities
undertaken in the programs authorized under this subsection.’’.
SEC. 204. LICENSING OF CERTAIN COMMERCE-CONTROLLED ITEMS.
Section 38 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778)
is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
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‘‘(k) LICENSING OF CERTAIN COMMERCE-CONTROLLED ITEMS.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—A license or other approval from the
Department of State granted in accordance with this section
may also authorize the export of items subject to the Export
Administration Regulations if such items are to be used in
or with defense articles controlled on the United States Munitions
List.
‘‘(2) OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—The following requirements
shall apply with respect to a license or other approval to
authorize the export of items subject to the Export Administration
Regulations under paragraph (1):
‘‘(A) Separate approval from the Department of Commerce
shall not be required for such items if such items
are approved for export under a Department of State
license or other approval.
‘‘(B) Such items subject to the Export Administration
Regulations that are exported pursuant to a Department
of State license or other approval would remain under
the jurisdiction of the Department of Commerce with
respect to any subsequent transactions.
‘‘(C) The inclusion of the term ‘subject to the EAR’
or any similar term on a Department of State license
or approval shall not affect the jurisdiction with respect
to such items.
‘‘(3) DEFINITION.—In this subsection, the term ‘Export
Administration Regulations’ means—
‘‘(A) the Export Administration Regulations as maintained
and amended under the authority of the International
Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701
et seq.); or
‘‘(B) any successor regulations.’’.
SEC. 205. AMENDMENTS RELATING TO REMOVAL OF MAJOR DEFENSE
EQUIPMENT FROM UNITED STATES MUNITIONS LIST.
(a) REQUIREMENTS FOR REMOVAL OF MAJOR DEFENSE EQUIPMENT
FROM UNITED STATES MUNITIONS LIST.—Section 38(f) of the
Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778(f)) is amended by adding
at the end the following:
‘‘(5)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the President
shall take such actions as may be necessary to require
that, at the time of export or reexport of any major defense
equipment listed on the 600 series of the Commerce Control
List contained in Supplement No. 1 to part 774 of subtitle
B of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, the major defense
equipment will not be subsequently modified so as to transform
such major defense equipment into a defense article.
‘‘(B) The President may authorize the transformation of
any major defense equipment described in subparagraph (A)
into a defense article if the President—
‘‘(i) determines that such transformation is appropriate
and in the national interests of the United States; and
‘‘(ii) provides notice of such transformation to the chairman
of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House
of Representatives and the chairman of the Committee
on Foreign Relations of the Senate consistent with the
notification requirements of section 36(b)(5)(A) of this Act.
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‘‘(C) In this paragraph, the term ‘defense article’ means
an item designated by the President pursuant to subsection
(a)(1).’’.
(b) NOTIFICATION AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR MAJOR
DEFENSE EQUIPMENT REMOVED FROM UNITED STATES MUNITIONS
LIST.—Section 38(f) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2778(f)), as amended by this section, is further amended by adding
at the end the following:
‘‘(6) The President shall ensure that any major defense
equipment that is listed on the 600 series of the Commerce
Control List contained in Supplement No. 1 to part 774 of
subtitle B of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, shall continue
to be subject to the notification and reporting requirements
of the following provisions of law:
‘‘(A) Section 516(f) of the Foreign Assistance Act of
1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j(f)).
‘‘(B) Section 655 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961
(22 U.S.C. 2415).
‘‘(C) Section 3(d)(3)(A) of this Act.
‘‘(D) Section 25 of this Act.
‘‘(E) Section 36(b), (c), and (d) of this Act.’’.
SEC. 206. AMENDMENT TO DEFINITION OF ‘‘SECURITY ASSISTANCE’’
UNDER THE FOREIGN ASSISTANCE ACT OF 1961.
Section 502B(d) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22
U.S.C. 2304(d)) is amended—
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end; and
(2) by amending paragraph (2)(C) to read as follows:
‘‘(C) any license in effect with respect to the export
to or for the armed forces, police, intelligence, or other
internal security forces of a foreign country of—
‘‘(i) defense articles or defense services under section
38 of the Armed Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2778); or
‘‘(ii) items listed under the 600 series of the Commerce
Control List contained in Supplement No. 1
to part 774 of subtitle B of title 15, Code of Federal
Regulations;’’.
SEC. 207. AMENDMENTS TO DEFINITIONS OF ‘‘DEFENSE ARTICLE’’ AND
‘‘DEFENSE SERVICE’’ UNDER THE ARMS EXPORT CONTROL
ACT.
Section 47 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2794)
is amended—
(1) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A) of paragraph
(3), by striking ‘‘includes’’ and inserting ‘‘means, with respect
to a sale or transfer by the United States under the authority
of this Act or any other foreign assistance or sales program
of the United States’’; and
(2) in paragraph (4), by striking ‘‘includes’’ and inserting
‘‘means, with respect to a sale or transfer by the United States
under the authority of this Act or any other foreign assistance
or sales program of the United States,’’.
SEC. 208. TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—The Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C.
2751 et seq.) is amended—
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(1) in sections 3(a), 3(d)(1), 3(d)(3)(A), 3(e), 5(c), 6, 21(g),
36(a), 36(b)(1), 36(b)(5)(C), 36(c)(1), 36(f), 38(f)(1), 40(f)(1),
40(g)(2)(B), 101(b), and 102(a)(2), by striking ‘‘the Speaker of
the House of Representatives and’’ each place it appears and
inserting ‘‘the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the
Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives,
and’’;
(2) in section 21(i)(1) by inserting after ‘‘the Speaker of
the House of Representatives’’ the following ‘‘, the Committees
on Foreign Affairs and Armed Services of the House of Representatives,’’;
(3) in sections 25(e), 38(f)(2), 38(j)(3), and 38(j)(4)(B), by
striking ‘‘International Relations’’ each place it appears and
inserting ‘‘Foreign Affairs’’;
(4) in sections 27(f) and 62(a), by inserting after ‘‘the
Speaker of the House of Representatives,’’ each place it appears
the following: ‘‘the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House
of Representatives,’’; and
(5) in section 73(e)(2), by striking ‘‘the Committee on
National Security and the Committee on International Relations
of the House of Representatives’’ and inserting ‘‘the Committee
on Armed Services and the Committee on Foreign Affairs
of the House of Representatives’’.
(b) OTHER TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS.—
(1) ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT.—The Arms Export Control
Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.), as amended by subsection (a),
is further amended—
(A) in section 38—
(i) in subsection (b)(1), by redesignating the second
subparagraph (B) (as added by section 1255(b) of the
Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988
and 1989 (Public Law 100–204; 101 Stat. 1431)) as
subparagraph (C);
(ii) in subsection (g)(1)(A)—
(I) in clause (xi), by striking ‘‘; or’’ and
inserting ‘‘, or’’; and
(II) in clause (xii)—
(aa) by striking ‘‘section’’ and inserting
‘‘sections’’; and
(bb) by striking ‘‘(18 U.S.C. 175b)’’ and
inserting ‘‘(18 U.S.C. 175c)’’; and
(iii) in subsection (j)(2), in the matter preceding
subparagraph (A), by inserting ‘‘in’’ after ‘‘to’’; and
(B) in section 47(2), in the matter preceding subparagraph
(A), by striking ‘‘sec. 21(a),,’’ and inserting ‘‘section
21(a),’’.
(2) FOREIGN ASSISTANCE ACT OF 1961.—Section 502B of the
Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2304) is amended—
(A) in subsection (b), by striking ‘‘Wherever applicable,
a description’’ and inserting ‘‘Wherever applicable, such
report shall include a description’’; and
(B) in subsection (d)(2)(B), by striking ‘‘credits’’ and
inserting ‘‘credits)’’.
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SEC. 209. APPLICATION OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF EXPORT ADMINISTRATION
ACT OF 1979.
(a) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION.—Section 12(c) of the Export
Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2411(c)) has been in
effect from August 20, 2001, and continues in effect on and after
the date of the enactment of this Act, pursuant to the International
Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) and
notwithstanding section 20 of the Export Administration Act of
1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2419). Section 12(c)(1) of the Export Administration
Act of 1979 is a statute covered by section 552(b)(3) of
title 5, United States Code.
(b) TERMINATION DATE.—Subsection (a) terminates at the end
of the 4-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of
this Act.
Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Vice President of the United States and
President of the Senate


***Obtenido de la pagina oficial del Diario Oficial del E.U.











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Retomando algunas clausulas del decreto oficial de los E.U. para la autorizacion de transferir
dichas OHP (2 unidades ya conocidas), el plazo es de 3 años, si fue firmado
el 19 de Diciembre de 2014 por Obama, el plazo se extiende valido hasta Diciembre
de 2017 para ser transferida.

La otra observacion, es sobre las partidas autorizadas en el presupuesto de inverision
de la SEMAR 2015, se incluyen 2 proyectos equivalentes a los $166 millones de
Dolares por ambas naves (clave proyecto 14132160016 por $2,380 millones de pesos),
con el titulo Adquisicion de Activos para actividades sustantivas, y la clave proyecto
14142160037 Adquisicion de activos operaciones de vigilancia, los cuales tienen
montos similares, aunque no señala adquisicion de buques de los E.U.
Tendremos oculto el proyecto para que no sea identificable???


Anexo la pagina de dichos proyectos autorizados:

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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por Harkonnen el 8/7/2015, 7:04 pm

No se menciona hasta donde leí desarmar o hacer un downgrade a los sistemas de armas de las fragatas. Significaría eso que mantendrían su capacidad lanzamisiles?

Taiwan se quedaría con cuatro!
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Mensaje por sasori el 8/7/2015, 7:25 pm

Si fuera un buen trato si fueran mas que 2 fragatas corridas. Si fueran 4 adicionales fueran una buena cosa para la armada. Se retiraron 2 fragatas y un destructor. Y las 4 fragatas que hay tambien van a ese rumbo.

Hay mas que 6 ohp que estan retirando. Si van adquiri las de verian pedir mas que las 2. 6 ohp pueden tomar el lugar de las fragatas y destructores de la armada bien
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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por hwk-11 el 8/7/2015, 7:26 pm

Esa capacidad ya la perdio desde hace un buen ya se volvio una PO grandota. no se que tan viable sea instalar de vuelta algun lanza-misiles o torreta.
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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por sasori el 8/7/2015, 7:28 pm

Los opv clase oxaca podrian ser adaptados a ser un tipo de fragata?
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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por Battousai el 8/7/2015, 7:52 pm

sasori escribió:Los opv clase oxaca podrian ser adaptados a ser un tipo de fragata?

NO. Mucho mas sencillo diseñar una fragata desde cero que tratar de adaptar un buque diseñado para funciones muy distintas a otro tipo de funciones diametralmente diferentes.
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Mensaje por Battousai el 8/7/2015, 8:02 pm

hwk-11 escribió:Esa capacidad ya la perdio desde hace un buen ya se volvio una PO grandota.

Negativo compañero, sigue teniendo planta motriz de fragata, autonomia de fragata, casco de fragata, electronica de fragata, etc. por mas desarmada que este nunca sera una OPV/PO de ningun tipo. No se volvio una PO, simplemente se volvio una fragata desarmada, tan sencillo como eso.

hwk-11 escribió:no se que tan viable sea instalar de vuelta algun lanza-misiles o torreta.

Es viable instalarle un buen de cosas, ejemplo de esto son las OHP de Australia o Taiwan, la cuestion siempre es el presupuesto que se tenga.
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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por Battousai el 8/7/2015, 8:13 pm

Rogersukoi27 escribió:La otra observacion, es sobre las partidas autorizadas en el presupuesto de inverision de la SEMAR 2015, se incluyen 2 proyectos equivalentes a los $166 millones de Dolares por ambas naves (clave proyecto 14132160016 por $2,380 millones de pesos), con el titulo Adquisicion de Activos para actividades sustantivas, y la clave proyecto 14142160037 Adquisicion de activos operaciones de vigilancia, los cuales tienen montos similares, aunque no señala adquisicion de buques de los E.U.

Tendremos oculto el proyecto para que no sea identificable???

No puedo entrar a la cartera de la SHCP para ver los documentos asociados, pero de ser uno de estos dos el 14132160016 Adquisicion de Activos para actividades sustantivas es el mas probable, ya que indica que serian para operaciones navales, mientras que el otro dice que serian para apoyo de actividades de vigilancia, y contrario a la creencia popular la SEMAR no usa fragatas para vigilancia, por mas desarmadas que esten.

sasori escribió:Si fuera un buen trato si fueran mas que 2 fragatas corridas. Si fueran 4 adicionales fueran una buena cosa para la armada. Se retiraron 2 fragatas y un destructor. Y las 4 fragatas que hay tambien van a ese rumbo.

Se dieron de baja los dos destructores, las 4 Allende y las 2 Bravo no se ve para cuando las vayan a retirar.
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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por Rogersukoi27 el 8/7/2015, 8:27 pm

Battousai escribió:
Rogersukoi27 escribió:La otra observacion, es sobre las partidas autorizadas en el presupuesto de inverision de la SEMAR 2015, se incluyen 2 proyectos equivalentes a los $166 millones de Dolares por ambas naves (clave proyecto 14132160016 por $2,380 millones de pesos), con el titulo Adquisicion de Activos para actividades sustantivas, y la clave proyecto 14142160037 Adquisicion de activos operaciones de vigilancia, los cuales tienen montos similares, aunque no señala adquisicion de buques de los E.U.

Tendremos oculto el proyecto para que no sea identificable???

No puedo entrar a la cartera de la SHCP para ver los documentos asociados, pero de ser uno de estos dos el 14132160016 Adquisicion de Activos para actividades sustantivas es el mas probable, ya que indica que serian para operaciones navales, mientras que el otro dice que serian para apoyo de actividades de vigilancia, y contrario a la creencia popular la SEMAR no usa fragatas para vigilancia, por mas desarmadas que esten.

sasori escribió:Si fuera un buen trato si fueran mas que 2 fragatas corridas. Si fueran 4 adicionales fueran una buena cosa para la armada. Se retiraron 2 fragatas y un destructor. Y las 4 fragatas que hay tambien van a ese rumbo.

Se dieron de baja los dos destructores, las 4 Allende y las 2 Bravo no se ve para cuando las vayan a retirar.

Muchas gracias compañero Battousai por sus comentarios, esperemos que sea el proyecto, para dejar de  especular sobre el destino de estas naves. Seguramente se pueden asignar los recursos
en diferentes años diferidos, ademas del obligado Overhaul en los astilleros de los E.U.


En esta imagen del OHP de la Armada de Baharain,  se aprecia muy clara la composicion del
Oto melara y su Phalanx en la Proa,  lo que indica su configuracion original de las que fueron
dadas de baja y transferidas a otros paises.
 Lo que si esta validado, es la remocion de los misiles aire y sobre naves de superficie hace ya
algunos años.  



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Re: Posible Transferencia de 2 Fragatas Oliver Hazard Perry

Mensaje por T-6 texan el 8/7/2015, 8:35 pm

Hay wey como me gusto equivocarme está vez entonces el proyecto va por buen camino?

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